Things got surprisingly entertaining on the Monday, January 27 broadcast of CNN’s “The Source with Kaitlan Collins,” as Homan came on for an interview and left her furiously sputtering with rage as he rebutted her attacks about ICE immigration raid policy. Collins, for reference, was furious over Homan changing ICE policy to allow raids of, amongst other places, churches and elementary schools.
Collins, kicking the spat off, angrily pressed Homan on why he is allowing agents to make arrests at churches, schools, and similar places. She snapped, “On what you said earlier about your big priority right now is deporting public safety threats and national security threats, how does changing the ICE policy that allows agents to conduct arrests and enforcement at churches and schools help with that?”
Homan didn’t skip a beat, responding by noting that gang members should have no “safe haven” locations in America. He told her, “There’s no safe haven for public safety threats and national security threats. People say, well, would you really go into a high school? Well, people need to look at the MS-13 members and Tren de Aragua members who enter this country, a majority of them between the ages of 15 and 17.”
Continuing, he described what sort of threats they bring to America and what the new policy really is, saying, “Many are attending our schools, and they’re selling drugs in the schools. And they’re doing strong-armed robberies of other students. So we’re not going into schools or hospitals as a matter of practice, but if it’s a significant public safety threat or a significant homeland security threat, there’s no safe haven. We will go where we need to go to take them off the street.”
Obviously angry, Collins sputtered, “But you obviously are someone — you have been working on the border for years, sir. I mean, you got an award from President Obama, for people who don’t know watching. And you also have worked through these administrations. This was the policy that’s been in place, I believe, since 2011. And it wasn’t changed before. I mean, do you have any reason to believe that elementary schools or churches are harboring these violent immigrants who are here illegally?”
Homan told her that ICE would respond to a threat wherever the threat is located, regardless of what sort of building that location is. He said, “Well, like I said, when the circumstances arise, we got a national security threat or significant public safety threat, we’re going to go where we got to go, whether it’s a school, a church, a hospital.”
Again emphasizing the national security angle of the policy and what the policy really is, he told her, “The national security is important. And, look, name another law enforcement agency. Does the FBI have those requirements? No. Does DEA have those requirements? No. So ICE shouldn’t have those requirements either. We have a national security responsibility. And we’re going to take those people off the street. If it’s out of school, that’s what we’re going to do. Again, it takes a lot to get approval to go into a school or a church. But if there’s a national security threat, we’re going.”
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Collins, angry and fixated on the elementary school angle of the policy and seemingly thinking little about what it means for kids to have gangsters in their classes, then asked, “What does it take? What is the standard, I guess, to go into an elementary school? Because what we had heard from immigration advocates is that this is going to provide a chilling effect to parents in the school drop-off line or something of that matter.”
Homan, not putting up with her pearl-clutching, told her that the whole point was to create the “chilling effect” of which she was so worried. He said, “It shouldn’t be a chilling effect unless your child is a terrorist or a public safety threat. If they are a public safety threat, a national security threat, they should be chilled. They should be afraid, because we’re looking for them.”
Collins then snapped, “Well, if their parent is here and they’re an undocumented immigrant, I think, was more of the argument that they were making.” Homan told her, “They’re not off the table either. I mean, they’re in the country illegally, they have got a problem. I mean, it’s not OK — look, we — it’s not OK to enter this country illegally. It’s a crime. And that’s the way it’s supposed to be. I wouldn’t feel comfortable if I’m in Switzerland illegally. So we’re going to enforce the laws of this country.”
He then reiterated his earlier point that there shouldn’t be safe havens for threats to public or national safety, saying, “So the schools and the churches and the sensitive location was a policy only for ICE, only for immigration, right? But national security threats and public safety threats have no safe haven in this country, and we will go where we got to go.”
Watch them here:
🚨WATCH: Tom Homan lays the smack down on CNN’s Kaitlan Collins
COLLINS: “Do you have any reason to believe that that elementary schools or churches are harboring violent immigrants who are here illegally?”
HOMAN: “We’re gonna go where we have to go.” pic.twitter.com/BGEf4LsGQW
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And here:
Collins: What is the standard for going into an elementary school? Advocates say this is going to provide a chilling effect to parents..
Homan: It shouldn’t be a chilling effect unless their child is a terrorist or a public safety threat..
Collins: If their parent is here and… pic.twitter.com/pwI9kaqTIq
— Acyn (@Acyn) January 28, 2025
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